tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post8530346080478550861..comments2024-03-24T20:15:00.996-04:00Comments on Critic After Dark: The Dark Knight Rises (Christopher Nolan, 2012)Noel Verahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-87684568223462277732013-03-07T10:06:40.178-05:002013-03-07T10:06:40.178-05:00Nolan? Action filmmaking basics. As in total lack ...Nolan? Action filmmaking basics. As in total lack of.<br /><br />Batman Returns has wit--compared to Nolan's Dark Knight movies, near-total lack of humor.<br /><br />And Pfeiffer against Hathaway? Fughedaboudit. I suppose Hathaway is closer to the comics--faithfulness to source isn't a priority for me, especially when I feel that the change is an improvement. <br /><br />But I talk about all this in detail in one of the links, to <a href="http://noelbotevera.blogspot.com/2006/04/michelle-pfeiffer-as-in-returns-tim.html" rel="nofollow">Batman Returns</a>. Check that out. <br /><br />"At least for me"<br /><br />De gustibus non est disputandumNoel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-78536211759319931792013-03-06T22:55:36.899-05:002013-03-06T22:55:36.899-05:00Also, Pfeiffer's Catwoman... was not to my tas...Also, Pfeiffer's Catwoman... was not to my taste. "Icky" is the word that comes to mind. Hathaway's Catwoman was better and closer to what the character is supposed to be and has been in the comics and the awesome 90s animated series. I'm not sure why you rank Batman Returns so high. Structurally it was kind of a mess. I enjoyed it when I was younger, despite the overblown creepiness, but looking back on it now, the film has problems. It starts and drops more plot threads than The Amazing Spider-Man. You criticize Nolan for having too much coherence (a perspective I don't really understand, but whatever), but going too far the other way is a huge turn off. At least for me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468375791995188590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-2257290372063640932013-03-06T22:51:48.307-05:002013-03-06T22:51:48.307-05:00Why do you hate Nolan and his work so much? I don&...Why do you hate Nolan and his work so much? I don't get it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04468375791995188590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-48145932487756575472012-09-01T09:40:53.758-04:002012-09-01T09:40:53.758-04:00"how about tension and release like good sex&..."how about tension and release like good sex"<br /><br />I'd call Nolan's films bad sex. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Guy walks away, girl thinks "was that all I'm going to get? Five second sex, no build up, no anticipation, no foreplay--no play whatsever? Why so frigging serious?"Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-24952057184288676512012-09-01T06:36:21.671-04:002012-09-01T06:36:21.671-04:00"he wants it to be all intensity"
..sam..."he wants it to be all intensity"<br /><br />..same thing he did with The Dark Knight and Inception...<br /><br />How about tension and release, like a good sex should be?<br /><br />btw, karel is so hot!!! (was this comment not enough to prove i'm not a robot that i have to type the captcha?)radioheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-48598385453383430182012-08-26T23:23:27.877-04:002012-08-26T23:23:27.877-04:00Thank you for your time.Thank you for your time.Jason Friedlandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-90740071204055887372012-08-26T20:54:17.706-04:002012-08-26T20:54:17.706-04:00No, criticism does not necessarily imply a balance...No, criticism does not necessarily imply a balanced view of the faults and flaws of a work of 'art.' From where I stand Nolan's work and the man himself has been praised to high heavens; I'm providing alternative programming. <br /><br />And yes, I'm one-sided here; it's my call, what I think the movie deserves. Am I more ambivalent elsewhere? Depends on the movie. <br /><br />"you are very biased"<br /><br />Welcome to film criticism.<br /><br />Dodo, thanks for the link; will get into that soon as I have time...<br /><br />Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-12820582945519485212012-08-26T09:20:06.885-04:002012-08-26T09:20:06.885-04:00I respect your opinion, I simply wanted clarificat...I respect your opinion, I simply wanted clarification on some of your criticisms. I would comment on each bullet, but it would most likely get us nowhere.<br /><br />"(I know, I know, but Nolan's last word on this comic book character and possibly one of the year's biggest movie events is too irresistible a target. Watch out: story discussed in close detail)"<br /><br />By definition, target means "a person, object or place selected as the aim of attack". This is why I had the notion that you walked into the movie wanting to "attack" it. Isn't criticism defined as giving "analysis and judgement of merits and faults"? Does this movie have none?<br /><br /><br />I'm actually just here because I was really curious on why you were chosen to be a Sight & Sound voter. The only critic from the Philippines at that. I googled your name and arrived at your blog. This is the first review I read. Hopefully you weren't as one-sided to this movie as you were to others.<br /><br />I'd end by saying you are very biased, but of course that is true, we all are.Jason Friedlandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-56838790927249838122012-08-26T06:08:25.589-04:002012-08-26T06:08:25.589-04:00I think a lot of fans (geeks/nerds) are having tro...I think a lot of fans (geeks/nerds) are having trouble wrapping their head around the idea that other people might NOT LIKE Christopher Nolan Batman movies. I swear, the Dark Knight trilogy is the most overprotected franchise in the history of Hollywood. <br /><br />Nolan fundamentalists/extremists should find this discussion either sobering, enlightening or blasphemous.<br /><br />http://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-big-murk-a-conversation-about-christopher-nolans-the-dark-knight-risesDodo Dayaohttp://pelikula.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-484342035190934392012-08-26T04:52:07.510-04:002012-08-26T04:52:07.510-04:00Oh, corrected that extra parenthesis. Thanks. Oh, corrected that extra parenthesis. Thanks. Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-69350839735625388272012-08-26T04:36:15.091-04:002012-08-26T04:36:15.091-04:00b) Intense is fine. One-note intense is boring.
c...b) Intense is fine. One-note intense is boring.<br /><br />c) Watch it again.<br /><br />d) Anything but a long speech?<br /><br />e) I'm perfectly serious. The resemblance, intentional or not, left a sour taste in the mouth.<br /><br />f) If the movie had more tonally varied dialogue, I wouldn't complain.<br /><br />g) If they want a Catwoman they could have tried for a Catwoman that wipes Pfieffer from memory. Did not happen.<br /><br />h) Memento told the story backwards and forwards. It played with the time sequence.<br /><br />"...are laid out very detailed, yet logical by showing great attention to detail"<br /><br />Didn't write this. <br /><br />i) Simply comparing Nolan and Burton as storytellers.<br /><br />j) I don't understand why I shouldn't say that.<br /><br />k) There's more emotions on the palette, and shades to the emotions.<br /><br />l) Why should I care what the advertising says?<br /><br />"The purpose of a review is to give both positive and negative sides to a movie."<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />"It is evident that you walked into The Dark Knight Rises with the preconceived notion of hating it"<br /><br />How would you know that, short of telepathy?<br /><br />"Making the need for both positive and negative aspects of the film be portrayed even more important."<br /><br />Why?Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-69492030770782451212012-08-25T23:42:25.763-04:002012-08-25T23:42:25.763-04:00Here's a short summary of all the reasons why ...Here's a short summary of all the reasons why you don't like The Dark Knight Rises:<br />a) When someone leaps across space to a far ledge, there is a reaction shot of the people below, hence showing that Christopher Nolan lacks confidence as a director.<br />b) It was too intense.<br />c) A suspension bridge didn't collapse when it should have.<br />d) When the villain was revealed at the end, there was a monologue explaining her true intentions.<br />e) Whether he intended to or notthe violence leaves a sour taste in the mouth.<br />f) The movie doesn't have laugh-out-loud demented dialogue like "Just the pussy I've been looking for!"<br />g) Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle was too healthy and wholesome as compared to Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman.<br />h) "Nolan writes fairly straightforward Syd Field-style scripts, where even the twists and turns of time travel (Memento) or dreams (Inception) are intricately laid out yet meticulously kept coherent,"<br />i) Tim Burton is better than Christopher Nolan.<br />j) Escape from New York was rated R, while The Dark Knight Rises had a "wimpy PG-13"<br />k) The "light-hearted but emotionally more complex" The Avengers was more impressive because it was more audible, had a simpler narrative and has humor to leaven the occasional drama.<br />l) The Dark Knight Rises didn't have humor as contrast its horror and drama.<br />m) Josh Whedon's Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog delivers more drama and pathos than The Dark Knight Rises.<br /><br />Yes, every single paragraph of this review, negatively criticized the movie. I have some comments and clarifications though.<br />Jason Friedlandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-28543561278169818182012-08-25T23:41:25.031-04:002012-08-25T23:41:25.031-04:00a) I have nothing to say because I am not a direct...<br />a) I have nothing to say because I am not a director, and have no knowledge to criticize his confidence.<br />b) In many ways, The Dark Knight Rises is meant to be the final act of his Dark Knight trilogy, which is why the whole movie built to its epic climax. It had to be intense.<br />c) I don't recall this particular scene so I have nothing to say about it.<br />d) How else would we have found out what happened? I think it was necessary to explain how Bane wasn't the child who climbed up the hole, but the protector and guardian of the child, adding more layers to his character.<br />e) Really? Joking that Nolan intended the violence to remind audiences of the Colorado massacre? Isn't that a little insensitive?<br />f) If the movie had dialogue like that, it would have definitely been out of place in terms of the film's tone and mood. It may difficult to keep in mind, but there is no point of comparing Burton's Batman with Nolan's because they are radically different films.<br />g) Same as above. If Anne Hathaway adhered to your preferred version of Catwoman, you would have undoubtedly bashed her for imitating Michelle Pfeiffer and being unoriginal. It is very evident that you walked into the movie with the preconceived notion that Anne Hathaway would fail in comparison to Michelle Pfeiffer, when they shouldn't have been compared in the first place.<br />h) First of all, Memento did not have time travel. Not at all. Although I trust that you have seen it since you commented on the movie. Personally, I don't understand your statement at all. In simpler words, you said "...are laid out very detailed, yet logical by showing great attention to detail" Please enlighten me on what that means.<br />i) Somehow you compared Nolan's screenwriting to Burton's directing, which I don't see makes sense. You talk about Nolan's scriptwriting, but of course, can't compare it to Burton's because he didn't write any of the Batman scripts. Then you comment on Burton's directing without saying anything about Nolan's. Eventually, declaring Burton the winner.<br />j) Wimpy PG-13? I don't understand why you would say that.<br />k) Please enlighten me on how The Avengers are more emotionally complex than The Dark Knight Rises.<br />l) I agree that The Dark Knight Rises lacked in humor compared to The Avengers, although did you really expect it to be humorous? The Dark Knight Rises, based on trailers and posters, was definitely not marketed to be a humorous movie. Maybe more humor would have been better, but if it didn't promise it, I'd advise not to look for it.<br />ps. This paragraph is very difficult to read with all your parentheses. You have 3 open parentheses and 4 closed ones, which unfortunately confused me while reading it. Parenthesis within parenthesis.<br />m) I haven't seen this either, so I have no comment about it.<br /><br />The purpose of a review is to give both positive and negative sides to a movie. It is evident that you walked into The Dark Knight Rises with the preconceived notion of hating it, and you certainly achieved your goal. Although I think it is unfair for you to leave out everything positive in your so-called review. It's impossible not to have anything positive about his movie, but from the opening paragraph of your review, it is clear that you only wrote this to bash the movie. Then again, you call yourself a critic, which makes this a criticism instead of a review. Making the need for both positive and negative aspects of the film be portrayed even more important.<br /><br />Before you tell me that I'm a Nolan fanboy and such, remember that I'm a reader of your blog and this is all a matter of opinion. It has nothing to do with my preference of directors.<br /><br />Thank you for your time.Jason Friedlandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-79270518450014482642012-08-20T16:19:31.397-04:002012-08-20T16:19:31.397-04:00Don´t like star wars or The Shawshank Redemption.....Don´t like star wars or The Shawshank Redemption...oki doki.... I´m done here.....Diananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-51476021989763483272012-08-20T10:37:13.299-04:002012-08-20T10:37:13.299-04:00"is like compare star wars with The Shawshank..."is like compare star wars with The Shawshank Redemption two differents impacts"<br /><br />I don't like either of them.<br /><br />I think it's more like comparing The Hurt Locker with Avatar. One is an overblown overproduced overhyped production, the other is a pretty good movie.<br /><br />"the batman trilogy one of the best trilogy ever......"<br /><br />There are so many: Inagaki's Samurai comes to mind; Kobayashi's The Human Condition. Heck, I prefer the Back to the Future movies to Nolan's trilogy. <br /><br />"i think capt hammer's character was underwritten"<br /><br />At forty minutes they had to keep something at a minimum. <br /><br />Plus I like the idea of a shallow, unexamined, narcissistic hero. Self righteousness can do that to a man. Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-34054792160901353692012-08-20T06:32:37.080-04:002012-08-20T06:32:37.080-04:00oh sure..but i forgot..
i was saying, i think cap...oh sure..but i forgot..<br /><br />i was saying, i think capt hammer's character was underwritten, as compared to Dr. Horrible (who has 3 layers, good, bad, inner good - as I see it). Capt Hammer's was like, ok let's make him a jerk.done.<br /><br />altho, he had the best line in the film. and i particularly cried on the "I'm not the hammer" part.radioheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-41220977077257906652012-08-19T19:43:31.533-04:002012-08-19T19:43:31.533-04:00i really like Dr. Horrible... NPH big fan.... But ...i really like Dr. Horrible... NPH big fan.... But you can´t compare Dr. horrible with the dark knight rises...... is two completely different shows..... is like compare star wars with The Shawshank Redemption two differents impacts.... the batman trilogy one of the best trilogy ever......Diananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-26614709670962032992012-08-19T05:45:51.750-04:002012-08-19T05:45:51.750-04:00hi rh, accidentally deleted your comment . sorry. ...hi rh, accidentally deleted your comment . sorry. can you post it again ?<br />Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-74783364604019316612012-08-18T20:33:57.495-04:002012-08-18T20:33:57.495-04:00Anonymous seems to have an inkling.
Did it? Dark ...Anonymous seems to have an inkling.<br /><br />Did it? Dark Knight Rises made me yawn.Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-2683288241910589452012-08-18T01:00:46.253-04:002012-08-18T01:00:46.253-04:00at least anynomous understood you didn't like ...at least anynomous understood you didn't like it.<br /><br />just watched Dr. Horrible, yeah made me cry...radioheadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-52455040893986606062012-08-10T23:28:49.909-04:002012-08-10T23:28:49.909-04:00Nolan lump. Mistakes big for good, long for deep. ...Nolan lump. Mistakes big for good, long for deep. Needs glasses.Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-81025167028949299512012-08-10T23:27:51.209-04:002012-08-10T23:27:51.209-04:00No, not Nolan fan.No, not Nolan fan.Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-12773070629564069072012-08-09T21:25:22.738-04:002012-08-09T21:25:22.738-04:00Great review... I really liked... Nolan fan????Great review... I really liked... Nolan fan????Melindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-62533097443537227802012-08-09T08:34:28.379-04:002012-08-09T08:34:28.379-04:00Telling a blogger in his own blog what he should d...Telling a blogger in his own blog what he should do. Assuming superior knowledge on a subject (without providing a single piece of evidence to back claim up or addressing any of the points in the piece). Assuming a piece of criticism is just insult. <br /><br />Respectful, rational and informed, oh yeah...Noel Verahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05904212081036547668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12690266.post-57522301858810171552012-08-09T06:35:19.607-04:002012-08-09T06:35:19.607-04:00i don't go arguing with people with inferior k...i don't go arguing with people with inferior knowledge and common sense..... But for future record be more pragmatic in future reviews.... And DO NOT insult things you don´t Know about.... That just prove your lack of education and reasonable sense..... Goodbye person who needs so much to learn.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com